deadheadskier wrote: ↑Dec 31st, '24, 10:34
You know who is probably the most guilty of pass sharing? Parents with babies not yet old enough to ski. My wife doesn't ski, but if she did, I could see that being a tempting option. I've had friends tell me they did this so both mom and dad got a chance to ski while trading off babysitting duties. I almost feel ski areas should offer a "new parent" lift ticket. For an extra $20 you can pass it back and forth.
Good for the resort and the sport in general. It's often during the early years of parenting that I see people drop out of the sport.
Certainly, this would have been easier in the days of printed tickets that were attached by the "zip tie" (the sticker style ticket wicket would have been harder).
Today - they would see a dads name / photo if the wife used it or vice/versa so it would be much harder. Assuming someone is checking photos.
I forget where, Waterville maybe?, but you could buy a parent pass that gave you two zip tie tickets and they couldn't be scanned within so many minutes of each other. It was great when our kids were little and something that should totally be doable today to continue expanding the sport.
nsvencer1 wrote: ↑Dec 31st, '24, 12:57
I forget where, Waterville maybe?, but you could buy a parent pass that gave you two zip tie tickets and they couldn't be scanned within so many minutes of each other. It was great when our kids were little and something that should totally be doable today to continue expanding the sport.
Bretton Woods had this parent pass, quite a few years ago now. I have no idea if they still have it, but it is a good idea.
deadheadskier wrote: ↑Dec 31st, '24, 10:34
You know who is probably the most guilty of pass sharing? Parents with babies not yet old enough to ski. My wife doesn't ski, but if she did, I could see that being a tempting option. I've had friends tell me they did this so both mom and dad got a chance to ski while trading off babysitting duties. I almost feel ski areas should offer a "new parent" lift ticket. For an extra $20 you can pass it back and forth.
Good for the resort and the sport in general. It's often during the early years of parenting that I see people drop out of the sport.
Guilty - would be tougher today...
Mom and Dad should have to pay 200+ to take a few runs....
Guy in Shorts wrote: ↑Jan 1st, '25, 06:29
Most ski resorts do offer Daycare and kids ski programs. They came in very handy when mine were too young to hang with us.
Sure, that works for some demographics; good incomes, maybe a schedule that allows enough time to ski that it warrants buying a pass.
But, numerous new parents are strapped for cash and time to ski often. So, let's do the math if those folks wanted to ski Killington this Saturday. Pre buying online:
Tickets for mom and dad plus one day care participant.
Order Summary
Sub-Total
$589.14
Tax
$22.20
Total
$611.34
(That's just day care. If you want to add a snow play lesson it's another $80)
The adult single ticket price is $185.07 before tax. I'm suggesting offering a single ticket for $205 that can be swapped back and forth between the parents. Very few parents would spend $6-700 for a single day of skiing. Many might be willing to pay $205 though.
Guy in Shorts wrote: ↑Jan 1st, '25, 06:29
Most ski resorts do offer Daycare and kids ski programs. They came in very handy when mine were too young to hang with us.
Sure, that works for some demographics; good incomes, maybe a schedule that allows enough time to ski that it warrants buying a pass.
But, numerous new parents are strapped for cash and time to ski often. So, let's do the math if those folks wanted to ski Killington this Saturday. Pre buying online:
Tickets for mom and dad plus one day care participant.
Order Summary
Sub-Total
$589.14
Tax
$22.20
Total
$611.34
(That's just day care. If you want to add a snow play lesson it's another $80)
The adult single ticket price is $185.07 before tax. I'm suggesting offering a single ticket for $205 that can be swapped back and forth between the parents. Very few parents would spend $6-700 for a single day of skiing. Many might be willing to pay $205 though.
In the meantime, there are plenty of options for new parents to pre-purchase discount vouchers that you can use anytime for around 100 dollars or so. I don't know the prices these days through the Connecticut Ski Council, but they are listing $108 for CSC awareness days at Killington and $51 at Pico. We used these options when we were new parents.
Guy in Shorts wrote: ↑Jan 1st, '25, 06:29
Most ski resorts do offer Daycare and kids ski programs. They came in very handy when mine were too young to hang with us.
Sure, that works for some demographics; good incomes, maybe a schedule that allows enough time to ski that it warrants buying a pass.
But, numerous new parents are strapped for cash and time to ski often. So, let's do the math if those folks wanted to ski Killington this Saturday. Pre buying online:
Tickets for mom and dad plus one day care participant.
Order Summary
Sub-Total
$589.14
Tax
$22.20
Total
$611.34
(That's just day care. If you want to add a snow play lesson it's another $80)
The adult single ticket price is $185.07 before tax. I'm suggesting offering a single ticket for $205 that can be swapped back and forth between the parents. Very few parents would spend $6-700 for a single day of skiing. Many might be willing to pay $205 though.
i realized post covid that they dont care how many people ski. they care about how much they can charge and get away with. for example: the $8.50 gatorade at k1. totally ridiculous, offensive even. they rather have less people buy a higher marked up product, than more people buy a lesser marked up product. theyd still profit off a $4 gatorade which probably only costs them a $1 or so, but their stupid unsustainable business strategy is to make things exclusive and expensive as possible while running on as little labor they can get away with for the lowest pay possible.
their business strategy pre covid was to get more people into the sport - the learn to packages where you got lifts, lessons, rentals and new skis/board at the completion was a great program. they also pushed group sales with tour buses and UK school groups... after covid all they want is rich people participating. i took a couple of runs yesterday and was able to walk right onto k1 gondi. on NYE. normally it would be a zoo. their strategy of chasing high net worth people and pushing the rest out of the sport is going to affect the whole community. less people coming up = less business on the access rd. as a full time local for many years ive been talking to friends and everyone is saying business is down. i sense a recession coming, whatever the f*** this bubble is is about to pop.
i strongly disagree with their business strategy. snowboarding saved my life, and it shouldnt just be for rich people. especially not on state land.
It's the direction every resort is going. It's such a short sighted perspective. If you don't get people into the sport, then who's going to come to the mountain when the wealthy boomers age out?
Guy in Shorts wrote: ↑Jan 1st, '25, 06:29
Most ski resorts do offer Daycare and kids ski programs. They came in very handy when mine were too young to hang with us.
Sure, that works for some demographics; good incomes, maybe a schedule that allows enough time to ski that it warrants buying a pass.
But, numerous new parents are strapped for cash and time to ski often. So, let's do the math if those folks wanted to ski Killington this Saturday. Pre buying online:
Tickets for mom and dad plus one day care participant.
Order Summary
Sub-Total
$589.14
Tax
$22.20
Total
$611.34
(That's just day care. If you want to add a snow play lesson it's another $80)
The adult single ticket price is $185.07 before tax. I'm suggesting offering a single ticket for $205 that can be swapped back and forth between the parents. Very few parents would spend $6-700 for a single day of skiing. Many might be willing to pay $205 though.
i realized post covid that they dont care how many people ski. they care about how much they can charge and get away with. for example: the $8.50 gatorade at k1. totally ridiculous, offensive even. they rather have less people buy a higher marked up product, than more people buy a lesser marked up product. theyd still profit off a $4 gatorade which probably only costs them a $1 or so, but their stupid unsustainable business strategy is to make things exclusive and expensive as possible while running on as little labor they can get away with for the lowest pay possible.
their business strategy pre covid was to get more people into the sport - the learn to packages where you got lifts, lessons, rentals and new skis/board at the completion was a great program. they also pushed group sales with tour buses and UK school groups... after covid all they want is rich people participating. i took a couple of runs yesterday and was able to walk right onto k1 gondi. on NYE. normally it would be a zoo. their strategy of chasing high net worth people and pushing the rest out of the sport is going to affect the whole community. less people coming up = less business on the access rd. as a full time local for many years ive been talking to friends and everyone is saying business is down. i sense a recession coming, whatever the f*** this bubble is is about to pop.
i strongly disagree with their business strategy. snowboarding saved my life, and it shouldnt just be for rich people. especially not on state land.
Asher . . Thanks! Glad to see that not EVERYONE is licking Killington's boots . . So many people on here have their heads up the Beast's ass . . Killington does not care about you . . only your wallet . .
"Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell"
Guy in Shorts wrote: ↑Jan 1st, '25, 06:29
Most ski resorts do offer Daycare and kids ski programs. They came in very handy when mine were too young to hang with us.
Sure, that works for some demographics; good incomes, maybe a schedule that allows enough time to ski that it warrants buying a pass.
But, numerous new parents are strapped for cash and time to ski often. So, let's do the math if those folks wanted to ski Killington this Saturday. Pre buying online:
Tickets for mom and dad plus one day care participant.
Order Summary
Sub-Total
$589.14
Tax
$22.20
Total
$611.34
(That's just day care. If you want to add a snow play lesson it's another $80)
The adult single ticket price is $185.07 before tax. I'm suggesting offering a single ticket for $205 that can be swapped back and forth between the parents. Very few parents would spend $6-700 for a single day of skiing. Many might be willing to pay $205 though.
i realized post covid that they dont care how many people ski. they care about how much they can charge and get away with. for example: the $8.50 gatorade at k1. totally ridiculous, offensive even. they rather have less people buy a higher marked up product, than more people buy a lesser marked up product. theyd still profit off a $4 gatorade which probably only costs them a $1 or so, but their stupid unsustainable business strategy is to make things exclusive and expensive as possible while running on as little labor they can get away with for the lowest pay possible.
their business strategy pre covid was to get more people into the sport - the learn to packages where you got lifts, lessons, rentals and new skis/board at the completion was a great program. they also pushed group sales with tour buses and UK school groups... after covid all they want is rich people participating. i took a couple of runs yesterday and was able to walk right onto k1 gondi. on NYE. normally it would be a zoo. their strategy of chasing high net worth people and pushing the rest out of the sport is going to affect the whole community. less people coming up = less business on the access rd. as a full time local for many years ive been talking to friends and everyone is saying business is down. i sense a recession coming, whatever the f*** this bubble is is about to pop.
i strongly disagree with their business strategy. snowboarding saved my life, and it shouldnt just be for rich people. especially not on state land.
Asher . . Thanks! Glad to see that not EVERYONE is licking Killington's boots . . So many people on here have their heads up the Beast's ass . . Killington does not care about you . . only your wallet . .
Okay smart guy, name a business that cares about the customer more than turning a profit.
Guy in Shorts wrote: ↑Jan 1st, '25, 06:29
Most ski resorts do offer Daycare and kids ski programs. They came in very handy when mine were too young to hang with us.
Sure, that works for some demographics; good incomes, maybe a schedule that allows enough time to ski that it warrants buying a pass.
But, numerous new parents are strapped for cash and time to ski often. So, let's do the math if those folks wanted to ski Killington this Saturday. Pre buying online:
Tickets for mom and dad plus one day care participant.
Order Summary
Sub-Total
$589.14
Tax
$22.20
Total
$611.34
(That's just day care. If you want to add a snow play lesson it's another $80)
The adult single ticket price is $185.07 before tax. I'm suggesting offering a single ticket for $205 that can be swapped back and forth between the parents. Very few parents would spend $6-700 for a single day of skiing. Many might be willing to pay $205 though.
i realized post covid that they dont care how many people ski. they care about how much they can charge and get away with. for example: the $8.50 gatorade at k1. totally ridiculous, offensive even. they rather have less people buy a higher marked up product, than more people buy a lesser marked up product. theyd still profit off a $4 gatorade which probably only costs them a $1 or so, but their stupid unsustainable business strategy is to make things exclusive and expensive as possible while running on as little labor they can get away with for the lowest pay possible.
their business strategy pre covid was to get more people into the sport - the learn to packages where you got lifts, lessons, rentals and new skis/board at the completion was a great program. they also pushed group sales with tour buses and UK school groups... after covid all they want is rich people participating. i took a couple of runs yesterday and was able to walk right onto k1 gondi. on NYE. normally it would be a zoo. their strategy of chasing high net worth people and pushing the rest out of the sport is going to affect the whole community. less people coming up = less business on the access rd. as a full time local for many years ive been talking to friends and everyone is saying business is down. i sense a recession coming, whatever the f*** this bubble is is about to pop.
i strongly disagree with their business strategy. snowboarding saved my life, and it shouldnt just be for rich people. especially not on state land.
Asher . . Thanks! Glad to see that not EVERYONE is licking Killington's boots . . So many people on here have their heads up the Beast's ass . . Killington does not care about you . . only your wallet . .
Okay smart guy, name a business that cares about the customer more than turning a profit.
It's called a lost leader dumbass. Lure people in with a fair deal and then make the profit on incremental income once you have the customer on the hook. It's why season passes are cheaper than ever.
I'm suggesting mountains do similar for some segments of infrequent and uneducated skiers that don't have awareness of off season deals, pre buys etc. There are many many people like this. Ski forum participants and their knowledge of how to make the sport more affordable are not the norm. In this case, I'm suggesting mountains target new parents with a lost leader deal. Why that group? To build their bench of future regulars.
Look at what is going on at Chili's right now. That was a dying chain. It's now the hottest chain in the country. Why? A successful lost leader meal deal. Applebee's is now copying them.
asher2789 wrote: ↑Jan 1st, '25, 09:20
i realized post covid that they dont care how many people ski. they care about how much they can charge and get away with. for example: the $8.50 gatorade at k1. totally ridiculous, offensive even. they rather have less people buy a higher marked up product, than more people buy a lesser marked up product.
This is true for every company I have ever worked for. Higher margins mean more profit per dollar of revenue. This ensures the company can cover operating costs, invest in growth, and remain resilient during economic downturns. Banks will give you more favorable interest rates, and the company will look more attractive to investors.
I also refuse to pay for the $8.00 Gatorade, but I may occasionally buy a 15-dollar fiddlehead.
Guy in Shorts wrote: ↑Jan 1st, '25, 06:29
Most ski resorts do offer Daycare and kids ski programs. They came in very handy when mine were too young to hang with us.
Sure, that works for some demographics; good incomes, maybe a schedule that allows enough time to ski that it warrants buying a pass.
But, numerous new parents are strapped for cash and time to ski often. So, let's do the math if those folks wanted to ski Killington this Saturday. Pre buying online:
Tickets for mom and dad plus one day care participant.
Order Summary
Sub-Total
$589.14
Tax
$22.20
Total
$611.34
(That's just day care. If you want to add a snow play lesson it's another $80)
The adult single ticket price is $185.07 before tax. I'm suggesting offering a single ticket for $205 that can be swapped back and forth between the parents. Very few parents would spend $6-700 for a single day of skiing. Many might be willing to pay $205 though.
i realized post covid that they dont care how many people ski. they care about how much they can charge and get away with. for example: the $8.50 gatorade at k1. totally ridiculous, offensive even. they rather have less people buy a higher marked up product, than more people buy a lesser marked up product. theyd still profit off a $4 gatorade which probably only costs them a $1 or so, but their stupid unsustainable business strategy is to make things exclusive and expensive as possible while running on as little labor they can get away with for the lowest pay possible.
their business strategy pre covid was to get more people into the sport - the learn to packages where you got lifts, lessons, rentals and new skis/board at the completion was a great program. they also pushed group sales with tour buses and UK school groups... after covid all they want is rich people participating. i took a couple of runs yesterday and was able to walk right onto k1 gondi. on NYE. normally it would be a zoo. their strategy of chasing high net worth people and pushing the rest out of the sport is going to affect the whole community. less people coming up = less business on the access rd. as a full time local for many years ive been talking to friends and everyone is saying business is down. i sense a recession coming, whatever the f*** this bubble is is about to pop.
i strongly disagree with their business strategy. snowboarding saved my life, and it shouldnt just be for rich people. especially not on state land.
Asher . . Thanks! Glad to see that not EVERYONE is licking Killington's boots . . So many people on here have their heads up the Beast's ass . . Killington does not care about you . . only your wallet . .
Okay smart guy, name a business that cares about the customer more than turning a profit.
Not arguing that point. Unhappy about the level of gaslighting and smokescreens in resort messaging . . . .
"Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell"
