Kilmar Abrego Garcia

[easyrider16]

Of course nobody cares about this guy. It's not about this guy. It's about whether the President of the United States can arbitrarily round people up on a whim and incarcerate them indefinitely without trial. That, I think, most people should give a sh*t about.

FDR, one of the greatest proclaimed democrat presidents didn't seem to have a problem with doing just that.

Yes. It was one of the more shameful moments in American history. You would think with all the decades that have passed since then that people would have learned something from history. Yet here you are, trying to justify the same evil because your team is doing it.

[Fancypants]

Of course nobody cares about this guy. It's not about this guy. It's about whether the President of the United States can arbitrarily round people up on a whim and incarcerate them indefinitely without trial. That, I think, most people should give a sh*t about.

FDR, one of the greatest proclaimed democrat presidents didn't seem to have a problem with doing just that.

FDR was wrong for doing so and what he did is now viewed as a very shameful mistake in American history.

What's your point?

Exactly that. Hindsight is 20/20 post event but the speculation that is being provided for what could happen is a whole other story.

[easyrider16]

Huh? Garcia was arrested and sent to prison without due process. He's still there. What are you speculating about? Can you acknowledge that what Trump did to Garcia is a shameful mistake? If not, how do you justify it?

[Stormchaser]

Last time I saw Skid Mark, he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat, and I'm pretty sure he came to Kzone illegally. Due to his obvious gang affiliation and illegal status, I think it's time Spanky and Bubba deport him. The irreparable harm he has caused to the community is immeasurable.

I demand due process you fascist!

Now THAT was pretty funny!

[volklopposition]

Of course nobody cares about this guy. It's not about this guy. It's about whether the President of the United States can arbitrarily round people up on a whim and incarcerate them indefinitely without trial. That, I think, most people should give a sh*t about.

FDR, one of the greatest proclaimed democrat presidents didn't seem to have a problem with doing just that.

FDR was wrong for doing so and what he did is now viewed as a very shameful mistake in American history.

What's your point?

The power to do that is necessary for a modern civilized state with an imperfect legal system, and I believe that all of us effectively have that. sh*t comes up.

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[easyrider16]

The power to do that is necessary for a modern civilized state with an imperfect legal system, and I believe that all of us effectively have that. sh*t comes up.

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Necessary, huh?

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Here's what I think. Policy, politics, party - all that we can disagree on and still maintain mutual respect. But there are some rights that are so fundamental that your disagreement separates us on a basic level. Anyone who can defend the arbitrary arrest and imprisonment of people without due process is defending evil. Not only is this kind of abuse of power unnecessary, it is the root of all political oppression.

There were people in the US who defended slavery, segregation, the persecution of homosexuals, the denial of women's rights to vote and own property, and other obvious forms of political oppression. If you can defend what Trump did to Garcia, you have a lot in common with those people.

[Skid Mark]

As our Commander in Chief put it;

"How can Biden let Millions of Criminals into our Country, totally unchecked and unvetted, with no Legal authority to do so, yet I, in order to make up for this assault to our Nation, am expected to go through a lengthy Legal process, separately, for each and every Criminal Alien. As usual, TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS, only leading to the Complete and Total Destruction of the U.S.A. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

[makemoreturns]

Your Commander in Chief (and supreme all-knowing being)

[asher2789]

Huh? Garcia was arrested and sent to prison without due process. He's still there. What are you speculating about? Can you acknowledge that what Trump did to Garcia is a shameful mistake? If not, how do you justify it?

[asher2789]

Of course nobody cares about this guy. It's not about this guy. It's about whether the President of the United States can arbitrarily round people up on a whim and incarcerate them indefinitely without trial. That, I think, most people should give a sh*t about.

FDR, one of the greatest proclaimed democrat presidents didn't seem to have a problem with doing just that.

FDR was wrong for doing so and what he did is now viewed as a very shameful mistake in American history.

What's your point?

The power to do that is necessary for a modern civilized state with an imperfect legal system, and I believe that all of us effectively have that. sh*t comes up.

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necessary evil like supporting israel's genocide. f*** disgusting. go to north korea, traitor.

[asher2789]

As our Commander in Chief put it;

"How can Biden let Millions of Criminals into our Country, totally unchecked and unvetted, with no Legal authority to do so, yet I, in order to make up for this assault to our Nation, am expected to go through a lengthy Legal process, separately, for each and every Criminal Alien. As usual, TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS, only leading to the Complete and Total Destruction of the U.S.A. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

TRAITOR

[easyrider16]

Stop feeding the troll. Even he must know that statement by Trump is idiotic on its face - any five-year-old knows two wrongs don't make a right. If he lacks the capacity to appreciate that, then you're basically beating up on a mentally handicapped person.

[asher2789]

Stop feeding the troll. Even he must know that statement by Trump is idiotic on its face - any five-year-old knows two wrongs don't make a right. If he lacks the capacity to appreciate that, then you're basically beating up on a mentally handicapped person.

i think hes serious, and a plurality of the country agrees with this fascist sh*t. its insulting comparing fascists to mentally handicapped people - they are often some of the sweetest best people who are doing good just at a slower speed than the rest of us. fascists should know better, but they ate too many lead paint chips as a child.

[Bubba]

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... rcna202387

Latest polls point to sizable GOP support for Trump’s authoritarian-style ambitions

A new poll suggests roughly a fourth of GOP voters support giving the president authority over the rule of law and civic institutions.

April 22, 2025, 12:49 PM EDT / Updated April 22, 2025, 3:16 PM EDT
By Steve Benen

While Donald Trump’s allies keep trying to convince the public that his public support is “soaring” and “skyrocketing,” the president himself claims his approval rating is “in the high 70s,” reality keeps getting in the way. In fact, the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll found Trump’s backing down to just 42% — an unusually low number for an incumbent president just three months into his term.

But while the topline results were of interest, it was some of the issue-specific data that stood out for me. From the same national survey (click the link for details about methodology and the margin of error):

23% of Republican voters said the president should defy court orders he disagrees with.
28% of Republican voters said the president should withhold funding from universities he disagrees with.
26% of Republican voters said the president should control national museums and theaters.

Some might see this and feel a sense of relief, since the views are not a majority. But the flip side is true, too: The Reuters/Ipsos data suggests roughly a fourth of rank-and-file GOP voters are on board with a radical vision in which a president has authoritarian-style authority over the rule of law and civic institutions.

This comes on the heels of a recent CBS News/YouGov poll that found 44% of Republican voters said federal judges should not be allowed to review Trump’s policies.

A month earlier, The Washington Post highlighted a YouGov poll that indicated nearly half of GOP voters said that a strongman government without a Congress was at least a “fairly” good system of government. Among those who identified themselves as primarily supporters of Trump, that number climbed to 55%.

The month before that, a Pew Research Center survey found that 59% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say many of the country’s problems could be addressed more effectively if Trump “didn’t need to worry so much about Congress or the courts.”

There were similar results during the 2024 campaign. The Associated Press reported about a year ago, for example, on a national AP-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research survey, which found that 57% of Republicans endorsed the idea of Trump “taking action on the country’s important policy issues without waiting for Congress or the courts.”

An NPR/PBS/Marist poll, released around the same time, asked respondents whether they agreed that conditions in the U.S. had deteriorated to the point that “we need a leader who is willing to break some rules to set things right.” Among GOP voters, a 56% majority endorsed the idea.

The more Trump sees evidence that his party’s base approves of authoritarian tactics as legitimate, the more likely it is that the incumbent president will continue to flout the nation’s constitutional system.

[asher2789]

^and people think im an alarmist!

The month before that, a Pew Research Center survey found that 59% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say many of the country’s problems could be addressed more effectively if Trump “didn’t need to worry so much about Congress or the courts.”

how is this not worth the level of alarm ive been sounding the whole time????? these deranged people will gladly support the insane and unconstitutional unitary executive legal theory which will allow the executive branch to do literally whatever the f*** it wants.

and lets not brush this aside with a lack of education or whatever (although thats part of it). the worst of these people are of the same mindset as the kids who tied to kill me for being queer in my childhood, all grown up. i mean look at the political humor thread - LGBTQMS-13 - thats not a joke nor is it funny, its a threat. its a goal. get rid of undesirables, send them to concentration camps in el salvador where one is beyond the reach of the law - immigrants, queers, disabled.... sound familiar? im not crying wolf, this is the real deal happening right now and all of you doubted this would happen.