Six Peaks Killington

[newpylong1]

... give the resort a nice kickstart, and get it back to being considered the flagship resort of the east as it once was.

What is the current flagship resort of the East?

Stowe - and that will never change.

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This is a joke right?

Killington has what, 650,000 annual skier visits? Stowe maybe 350,000? There are a lot of criteria that could define a "flagship", but the first and foremost is skier visits.

[iriponsnow]

I also wonder how many more people a village attracts? Clearly Killington is not anywhere near where it was historically with visits, so in theory it can handle more people. However, boots on the ground indicate that it has been busier across more days during the week now through the weekend.

The crux is that there used to be tons of skiers in the sport, now ya have 'ppl who occasionally ski...'. The difference is staggering. Do we really need slopeside village for ppl who can't walk in ski boots who ski 1 week per year? I suppose the answer is yes, just look a the boardwalk early season.

My objections to this vision is that there are no provisions for the wrap around infrastructure- real housing for service workers, grocery stores, access to a workforce, road / lane width (how many houses can the fire dept not access already?), restaurants that are actually open on regular hours, support services........ All at the expense of the core audience.

[hillbangin]

... give the resort a nice kickstart, and get it back to being considered the flagship resort of the east as it once was.

What is the current flagship resort of the East?

Stowe - and that will never change.

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This is a joke right?

Killington has what, 650,000 annual skier visits? Stowe maybe 350,000? There are a lot of criteria that could define a "flagship", but the first and foremost is skier visits.

What's the flagship resort in Utah?



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[jimmywilson69]

My objections to this vision is that there are no provisions for the wrap around infrastructure- real housing for service workers, grocery stores, access to a workforce, road / lane width (how many houses can the fire dept not access already?), restaurants that are actually open on regular hours, support services........ All at the expense of the core audience.

Those are all completely valid points... I also don't think that should fall completely on Killington or the village developer. Likewise the Town or the state shouldn't make developing those things a hassle, which we know in VT won't happen...

[newpylong1]

... give the resort a nice kickstart, and get it back to being considered the flagship resort of the east as it once was.

What is the current flagship resort of the East?

Stowe - and that will never change.

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This is a joke right?

Killington has what, 650,000 annual skier visits? Stowe maybe 350,000? There are a lot of criteria that could define a "flagship", but the first and foremost is skier visits.

What's the flagship resort in Utah?



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How should I know and why is it germane to the East?

[Bubba]

... give the resort a nice kickstart, and get it back to being considered the flagship resort of the east as it once was.

What is the current flagship resort of the East?

Stowe - and that will never change.

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This is a joke right?

Killington has what, 650,000 annual skier visits? Stowe maybe 350,000? There are a lot of criteria that could define a "flagship", but the first and foremost is skier visits.

Killington is around 800,000, up from the bottom of Powdr’s first season but nowhere near the million plus they used to get in the early 90s. Much of the decline can be traced to cheaper travel to the west as well as the decline in weekday visits as ski week skiers that resulted from the shift. It is not the result of skiers getting older or anything like that. National skier visits have been relatively stable for years so this is more a market share issue than anything else.

[GMCrra]

Other resorts hyperfocused on certain customer bases in the 90s. Okemo took at lot of killingtons visits along with cheap flights west. K remained a jack of all trades.

Stowe has a higher guest yield per visit, despite lower overall visits. 2000 ft vertical drop off front four, K doesn't have that. I'd argue Stowe is the best overall ski experience in the East. K has more upside in growth though being closer to NY/NJ and families are giving K a 2nd look again. But I'm not sure you are going to see 5 to 10 million dollar real estate like Stowe.

[newpylong1]

I don't think real estate values are an indicator of a flagship status. Nor do I think the existence of the Front 4 sway it one way or another. One could just as easily prefer Sugarloaf, Saddleback or Sugarbush for that 2,000 vert over Stowe.

If I had to set any criteria it would be skier visits, and skiable acreage.

Got that right about Okemo, I think they were way up around 600,000 skier visits a decade ago and you have to assume many of those were cannibalized from K.

[jimmywilson69]

While the skiing has a lot , I mean A LOT to be desired, Okemo has TONs of slope side lodging with more on the table for build out. Without a doubt that is where people went from K if they were looking for that sort of thing. Plus the lack of challenging skiing is enticing for families with younger children or never ever skiers. My wife who is a high intermediate skier loves both Okemo and Killington. Okemo gives her confidence and Killington gives her longer slopes to practice on.

[Big Bob]

I don't think real estate values are an indicator of a flagship status. Nor do I think the existence of the Front 4 sway it one way or another. One could just as easily prefer Sugarloaf, Saddleback or Sugarbush for that 2,000 vert over Stowe.

If I had to set any criteria it would be skier visits, and skiable acreage.

Got that right about Okemo, I think they were way up around 600,000 skier visits a decade ago and you have to assume many of those were cannibalized from K.

I prefer Sugarloaf over Stowe. About the same drive time of about 3 hours+, no acess road traffic jams on weekends, nicer overall vib.

[GlenPLake]

Sort of off topic, but I have thought it would be great if they could add a new lift across the street from the Whiffletree condo entrance. For one possible alignment it could go up to the Northbrook trail, where it seems there would be a good place for a top terminal.

43°37'29"N 72°47'18"W

This new Wiffletree could give true ski in/out access for the Grand Hotel, Trail Creek, Edgemont, Fall Line and maybe Mountain Green and Pinnacle condos. Guests at these condos could ski down to the whiffletree lift and ride up to access the needles base area and/or the Snowshed area depending on where the top terminal is placed.

Condo HOAs might even be willing to pay for some of all of this much needed infrastructure.

[RENO]

Sort of off topic, but I have thought it would be great if they could add a new lift across the street from the Whiffletree condo entrance. For one possible alignment it could go up to the Northbrook trail, where it seems there would be a good place for a top terminal.

43°37'29"N 72°47'18"W

This new Wiffletree could give true ski in/out access for the Grand Hotel, Trail Creek, Edgemont, Fall Line and maybe Mountain Green and Pinnacle condos. Guests at these condos could ski down to the whiffletree lift and ride up to access the needles base area and/or the Snowshed area depending on where the top terminal is placed.

Condo HOAs might even be willing to pay for some of all of this much needed infrastructure.

A section between Edgemont and Trail creek is owned by SP Land. It's wide enough for a road to go in and up the mountain. It's actually part of the village plans many years out. I forget what Phase it was. Attached a pic below... The plans have morphed many times since this image. The plan was to put in the road that goes from East Mountain RD. that go to condos, townhomes, homes, etc... and another base area and a lift as you can see in the image. The lift won't go down to east mountain rd though. I'm in Edgemont and we already have enough to pay for so not in favor of paying for a lift down to the road. I know Whiffletree and Trail Creek won't want to pay either. Every development already has a lot to pay for. We actually own part of that area to the left of where the road would come in from East Mountain Rd. Maybe SP Land is willing to buy it from us? I really don't see that part of the village happening or if it's even on the table anymore. It's a wild fantasy! LOL! I mean, look at this image. It's ridiculous! I don't know if any part of the village will ever get built. We'll see. Not a top priority on my list of things I want at K...

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[GlenPLake]

Well that is pretty darn close to where I was suggesting.

Thanks for the photo. I’m an owner at Fall Line, and although I don’t love the idea of higher HOA costs, it seems like it would pay for itself for anyone renting even occasionally during the winter, and help property values tremendously.

I was thinking about the location being further down at the bottom end of black line added to the picture. Lower down would allow more of the housing to be ski in/out and not need shuttle access for skiing. But I would be thrilled by either location.

The additional territory/lifts added between Pico and Killington by the 6 peaks projects will likely not be the typical advanced Killington terrain, but will likely be just what the resort needs to get the family dollars it has lost to Okemo, Stratton and Stowe.

I am picturing a true European type ski village with skiing all the way down the current access road, and all of the social and commercial opportunities that would go along with such an amazing‘village’. Can Killington do this, it seems to be what they are attempting, it seems it’s only the nay sayers that can derail it at this point. My opinion on these matters seem to be in the minority on this website, but not on the chairlifts, where almost everyone I speak with is an enthusiastic supporter.

As I understand it the town vote for the bond is in November, that should be a good indication of how things are going with the projects. A no vote won’t end the efforts, but would likely be another delay.

[snoloco]

I'm not sure what year that map is from, but it's clearly a much more elaborate plan than what is likely to be done now. It looks like complete removal of the access road and having everyone go up Vale Road, also developing the Vale Lots and half the K1 Lot.

[Big Bob]

When the village is built will there be a new parking lot built with lift access or shuttle buses in the basin area?