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"Taser shocks ruled cause of death"Carvemeister wrote: nobody has died FROM being tasered alone and as a result of the taser itself.
Clearly you'd prefer not to believe every medical examiner in the country, but rather the usual speculative, emotional, non-scientific hype from groups with a political agenda and the rest. .
Lovely.BrockVond wrote:"Taser shocks ruled cause of death"
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... ser30.html
Carvemeister wrote:nobody has died FROM being tasered alone and as a result of the taser itself.
BrockVond wrote:"Taser shocks ruled cause of death"
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... ser30.html
I just thought it odd that someone with as much expertise on the subject as you was not aware of this case and others like it. I found it shocking that someone like you, who certainly can't be "biased as all hell" on this subject was unaware of even the most basic facts regarding Taser use in this country. And I was astounded to learn that someone like you, blessed with the ability to discern how "clueless" others are on this subject, was happily free of the burden of awareness on the subject.Carvemeister wrote: Lovely.
You found one.
No, since the Taser was listed as the primary cause of death, that would not be necessary. But i do appreciate your views on the relative worth of human life.Well, I guess they should have been required to test the poor "gardener" for methamphetamines before tasering the lunatic. How tragic.
Probably the silliest comparison you could have come up with, and I literally spit my orange juice on the keyboard when I read this one. Thanks for the laugh.Ban the taser.
Ban lacrosse.
Agreed. But the question is not about its intended purpose, but rather the deadly cost of its implementation in fulfilling that purpose. If it's purpose is to subdue without causing death, it has already failed. Used to be that Taser International defined its purpose as subduing without harm. That changed when bodies started piling up. I guess you didn't get the memo.The taser at least is intended to prevent the risk of injuries to the public (or cops) from someone who is acting violently, or resisting arrest.
Then find another job cuz law enforcement is a dangerous business and there is no room for people who would rather kill another human being than risk "blowing out their acl". I might suggest Librarian, or some other quiet desk job, though I think there may still be some minimal risk to your ACL no matter what you choose. Up to you, I'm no guidance counselor.I realize the popular public opinion is that cops should have to get hurt themselves before causing any harm to a crackhead, don't shoot until actually shot at first, etc. But whether you like it or not, I'm not going to let some meth freak blow my acl out while I roll around trying to cuff him.
Good for you. Godammit! Good for you. But between you and me I think the jury is still out on Vioxx. I mean, who could say, definitively, that Vioxx was to blame? I mean, come on, these people had pre-existing health conditions that most certainly contributed to their deaths. Osteoarthritis? Ever heard of it? No picnic, my friend. Something with that many syllables has to be deadly. Dysmenorrhea? Caused many many heart attacks over the years, pal. ( though i do concede most of the heart attacks occurred in men). Also, who knows how many of these Vioxx patients were cranked-up on Meth at the time? Do you know? I don't know. 'Nuff said.If, like Vioxx, (designed to help), the taser is later shown definitively to do far more harm than good, then I'd agree, ban the taser.
I think internet protocol demands that you compare me to Hitler, not Ahmadinejad. I think it's a rule, or something. I'll let it go this time, but please, next time make it Hitler.But usually I don't bother to even waste my breath on this stuff. It's like trying to explain the holocaust to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, that prik.
oh gosh....that lax player was at northport high....my alma mommy....pics of the poor kid were all over the gym....i can still see his face....brown hair & eyes....brings back sad memories for me....Carvemeister wrote:Lovely.BrockVond wrote:"Taser shocks ruled cause of death"
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... ser30.html
You found one.
"...The autopsy said methamphetamines contributed to Hasse's death.."
"Hasse, a former securities trader who was supposed to go on trial in June in the burial of a body on an Indiana farm, confronted officers in a Chicago high-rise.
Police said they used the Taser on Hasse when he tried to kick and bite officers during a struggle. He also threatened to infect paramedics with HIV."
Well, I guess they should have been required to test the poor "gardener" for methamphetamines before tasering the lunatic. How tragic.
Ban the taser.
Ban lacrosse.
A kid here on LI suffered a tragic and unlikely death several years ago when a ball hit him right over the heart at exactly the right moment. That kid wasn't even high on meth. The human body sometimes reacts in an unpredictable manner .001% of the time. Surely he wasn't the first kid to get hit in the chest.
You let your 10 year old kid play lacrosse in light of that death? Why? So he can get a college scholarship? Is that worth the risk? Why do you get to decide? How does that benefit the public? Shouldn't lacrosse be banned in light of such risk?
The taser at least is intended to prevent the risk of injuries to the public (or cops) from someone who is acting violently, or resisting arrest. I realize the popular public opinion is that cops should have to get hurt themselves before causing any harm to a crackhead, don't shoot until actually shot at first, etc. But whether you like it or not, I'm not going to let some meth freak blow my acl out while I roll around trying to cuff him.
Those injuries happen all the time to cops. Torn up knees and herniated disks happen far too often. then you get to pay their salaries while they sit home and recuperate. Don't overdo your meth and don't resist = nobody gets tased.
If, like Vioxx, (designed to help), the taser is later shown definitively to do far more harm than good, then I'd agree, ban the taser. Right now, most scientific evidence supports it usefulness. A bullet has the potential to kill every time its used. A "roll around" causes for more injuries to the arrestee, i.e. broken bones, torn ligaments or worse. The injuries suffered by anyone in these cases is probably paid by you. Do you care?
The overwhelming majority of tased "victims" end up with no injuries or less than would have occurred otherwise. Makes sense to me. As usual, you only see half of the story posted on youtube videos and paraded through the media. When things go right, its boring.
That's all I'm going to say about the taser. I know when folks have their minds made up and I can spot an anti-cop bias from a mile away. Mostly, it makes me yawn (like donut jokes - oh, how frickin' original. I've got some lines for those clowns, in person, that regularly have their friends pointing at them and laughing while they run off in shame. What a hoot that is). But usually I don't bother to even waste my breath on this stuff. It's like trying to explain the holocaust to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, that prik.
I guess I'm getting antsy for some snow to fly, to run some gates, maybe take another Steep Camp at Jackson followed by a few runs in the JH backcountry, etc. Henceforth, my tasering lesson has ended at this time. I do have skis to wax. More than you can count.
Looks like your acl isn't the only thing you're covering. Stay healthy! lol.Carvemeister wrote:Boring. I'm sure others will disagree. So, carry on.BrockVond wrote:Then find another job cuz law enforcement is a dangerous business and there is no room for people who would rather kill another human being than risk "blowing out their acl". I might suggest Librarian, or some other quiet desk job, though I think there may still be some minimal risk to your ACL no matter what you choose. Up to you, I'm no guidance counselor.I realize the popular public opinion is that cops should have to get hurt themselves before causing any harm to a crackhead, don't shoot until actually shot at first, etc. But whether you like it or not, I'm not going to let some meth freak blow my acl out while I roll around trying to cuff him.
Word of advice: Do yourself a favor and take the pension as soon as possible, ok? No offense to you, but the public deserves better than some schmuck more concerned about his acl than human life. Long story short: you're a liability.BrockVond wrote:Looks like your acl isn't the only thing you're covering. Stay healthy! lol.Carvemeister wrote:Boring. I'm sure others will disagree. So, carry on.BrockVond wrote:Then find another job cuz law enforcement is a dangerous business and there is no room for people who would rather kill another human being than risk "blowing out their acl". I might suggest Librarian, or some other quiet desk job, though I think there may still be some minimal risk to your ACL no matter what you choose. Up to you, I'm no guidance counselor.I realize the popular public opinion is that cops should have to get hurt themselves before causing any harm to a crackhead, don't shoot until actually shot at first, etc. But whether you like it or not, I'm not going to let some meth freak blow my acl out while I roll around trying to cuff him.
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You could be bi-polar. Have yourself looked at. I'm serious.BrockVond wrote:Word of advice: Do yourself a favor and take the pension as soon as possible, ok? No offense to you, but the public deserves better than some schmuck more concerned about his acl than human life. Long story short: you're a liability.
I'll make you a deal. You take a pension asap and free the public of a lazy burned-out cop who's really not interested in doing the job anymore anyway, and I'll have myself checked out for bi-polar disorder. Deal?Carvemeister wrote:You could be bi-polar. Have yourself looked at. I'm serious.BrockVond wrote:Word of advice: Do yourself a favor and take the pension as soon as possible, ok? No offense to you, but the public deserves better than some schmuck more concerned about his acl than human life. Long story short: you're a liability.
Right on, brother! What about Vioxx? Don't forget about Vioxx.ski the trees wrote:Taser is totally fine. More people have probably died from taking aspirin than a taser.
(CNN) -- An Ohio police officer has been put on paid administrative leave after his own police cruiser's dash camera captured him using a stun gun to subdue a handcuffed woman, an attorney for the city of Warren, Ohio, told CNN on Thursday.
