Trump Presidency

[Bubba]

‘Trump just kicked over the chess board’: GOP faces an election with more pain

The president’s approval rating on the economy remained his bright spot. But he darkened that outlook by shutting the door on a comprehensive economic aid package just as millions of Americans start voting.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/0 ... wal-427360

Trump’s back-and-forth injects chaos into Covid relief effort

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/0 ... lus-427119

How to decode Trump’s U-turn tweets on Covid stimulus

The president abruptly cut off the talks this week. But hours later, he was again pushing for a deal.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/0 ... ine-427315

[deadheadskier]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... /6800/text Here is the complete version. I've just seen links to small portions of it. You really need a lawyer education to fully understand it.

So are you going to point to any specific issues it contains or should I just guess which parts of it that you (or the president) don't like?

It contains LOTS of money for cities and states with formulas that benefit the ones that are in poor fiscal shape, which we all know are the Democrat ones. It contains lots of other stuff too. I barely got 10% through it skimming and found things like extra money for low income hating assistance which is a Republican non starter. Ect. The stuff is in there.

Trump is giving up because he wants a slimmed down MUCH cheaper version of the bill, and the Dems are toeing their line. He is banking on not only winning in November, but gaining more Senate seats and narrowing the house majority Pelosi has. IMHO those are unrealistic expectations.

I agree with this assessment. In any negotiation, though, both sides have to give something to get a deal done. The Republicans can't expect to get rid of everything they don't like. Likewise the Democrats will have to give up on some things they're asking for. The real art of the deal is figuring out what both sides really want and what they're willing to give up. I'm fairly certain someone as experienced as Pelosi is not expecting to get everything she's asking for. In fact, she probably asked for things she was willing to give up as part of the negotiation.

In any case, this is politics, and if Trump is going to walk away from a negotiation, he needs to tell us why. Otherwise he risks looking like someone who can't get the deal done. His vague tweet didn't provide much explanation.

IF I recall correctly, the Republicans started at 1.1T, and the Democrats started at 3.1T or maybe even 3.3T. The Republicans were only willing to go as high as 1.6T, and Pelosi demanded they go at least 2.2T. The Republicans more or less told her to go to hell at that point.

Is there no Republican pork at all on the plate this time?

There was plenty back in July


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewst ... ed-by-gop/

I haven't read what was rejected. Not particularly interested seeing how so called fiscal conservatives had zero issues running up the tab Trump's first three years.

The saying goes when Democrats control government, the Republicans are the fiscally conservative party. When Republicans control government, there are no fiscal conservatives.

[easyrider16]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... /6800/text Here is the complete version. I've just seen links to small portions of it. You really need a lawyer education to fully understand it.

So are you going to point to any specific issues it contains or should I just guess which parts of it that you (or the president) don't like?

It contains LOTS of money for cities and states with formulas that benefit the ones that are in poor fiscal shape, which we all know are the Democrat ones. It contains lots of other stuff too. I barely got 10% through it skimming and found things like extra money for low income hating assistance which is a Republican non starter. Ect. The stuff is in there.

Trump is giving up because he wants a slimmed down MUCH cheaper version of the bill, and the Dems are toeing their line. He is banking on not only winning in November, but gaining more Senate seats and narrowing the house majority Pelosi has. IMHO those are unrealistic expectations.

I agree with this assessment. In any negotiation, though, both sides have to give something to get a deal done. The Republicans can't expect to get rid of everything they don't like. Likewise the Democrats will have to give up on some things they're asking for. The real art of the deal is figuring out what both sides really want and what they're willing to give up. I'm fairly certain someone as experienced as Pelosi is not expecting to get everything she's asking for. In fact, she probably asked for things she was willing to give up as part of the negotiation.

In any case, this is politics, and if Trump is going to walk away from a negotiation, he needs to tell us why. Otherwise he risks looking like someone who can't get the deal done. His vague tweet didn't provide much explanation.

IF I recall correctly, the Republicans started at 1.1T, and the Democrats started at 3.1T or maybe even 3.3T. The Republicans were only willing to go as high as 1.6T, and Pelosi demanded they go at least 2.2T. The Republicans more or less told her to go to hell at that point.

Sounds to me like they were closing the gap when Trump suddenly threw a tantrum. I've heard and read nothing suggesting Pelosi was drawing a hard line or not willing to negotiate further. As I understand it, mnuchin was still negotiating with Pelosi when Trump tweeted.

Also given those numbers, the Democrats gave more ground than Republicans. Dems came down 1.1T, Repubs only gave 500 bil. Seems reasonable to me that they could have met somewhere in the middle.

[harvey44]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YdWrBKt3Jw

[easyrider16]

"That's who I thought I was voting for."

That always amazes me. Trump has had a reputation as a BS artist for a long, long time. From the jump, people were calling him out for it. How is it that so many people perceived him as a straight talker when it was so obvious that he was a charlatan?

At least the guy in that video was honest enough with himself to admit he got it wrong. So many Trump supporters still cling to the notion of Trump as a straight talker despite all the many lies.

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[harvey44]

That guy should debate Trump.

[XtremeJibber2001]

How is it that so many people perceived him as a straight talker when it was so obvious that he was a charlatan?

People really disliked Hillary. That’s the simple truth.

[easyrider16]

That doesn't explain his primary win. There were good candidates in that bunch. Kasich struck me as a straight talker. Ironically, that's probably why he lost, because he wasn't just telling people what they wanted to hear.

[brownman]

.. apparently .. the national polls are coalescing..
.. 'what people want to hear' now is no more Donnie.
Failure Fatigue is at hand .. many won't get fooled again.

Pitiful lap dog Pence. The fly looked comfortable there.

[XtremeJibber2001]

.. 'what people want to hear' now is no more Donnie.

He’ll deliver people their wish as he just declined to do the next debate.

[easyrider16]

"I'm not going to waste my time doing a virtual debate," he told Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo, calling a virtual debate a "joke" and an effort "to protect Biden."

Haha.. exactly, it's an effort to protect Biden and others from getting infected with Covid 19. What a joke!

Kind of hard to reconcile though. Nearly everyone in the U.S. has had to conduct business virtually by now in one form or another. To suggest that doing something like a debate in a virtual format is somehow not productive is really not going to resonate with a lot of folks.

[XtremeJibber2001]

"I'm not going to waste my time doing a virtual debate," he told Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo, calling a virtual debate a "joke" and an effort "to protect Biden."

Haha.. exactly, it's an effort to protect Biden and others from getting infected with Covid 19. What a joke!

Kind of hard to reconcile though. Nearly everyone in the U.S. has had to conduct business virtually by now in one form or another. To suggest that doing something like a debate in a virtual format is somehow not productive is really not going to resonate with a lot of folks.

$02, he will reverse course and do a virtual debate.

[easyrider16]

His word means nothing. Look at the stimulus package - he tweets that he's going to wait until after the election, and then immediately does an about-face and re-starts negotiations with Pelosi. And today he's claiming that just a couple of days after being hospitalized with covid, he's no longer contagious. Huh?

This guy is a straight up liar. A compulsive one at that. I don't know how anyone can trust anything he says.

Edit: another whopper today:

“I killed al-Baghdadi, I killed Soleimani -- bigger names that Osama bin Laden,” Trump said on Fox News. “Al-Baghdadi founded ISIS. Soleimani was the worst terrorist in 50 years.”

Bigger than Bin Laden? The guy who orchestrated the Sept 11 attacks? He says this with a straight face?

[XtremeJibber2001]

Incredible and sadly not surprising

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/08/politics ... index.html

Six men were charged Thursday in an alleged plot to kidnap Michigan Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, according to a federal criminal complaint.

The six individuals charged in the Western District of Michigan with conspiracy to kidnap are Michigan residents Adam Fox, Ty Garbin, Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris, Brandon Caserta, and Delaware resident Barry Croft.

The FBI became aware of the scheme, first reported by The Detroit News, in early 2020 through a social media group of individuals who were discussing the violent overthrow of certain government and law-enforcement components, according to the criminal complaint.

[deadheadskier]

Incredible and sadly not surprising

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/08/politics ... index.html

Six men were charged Thursday in an alleged plot to kidnap Michigan Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, according to a federal criminal complaint.

The six individuals charged in the Western District of Michigan with conspiracy to kidnap are Michigan residents Adam Fox, Ty Garbin, Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris, Brandon Caserta, and Delaware resident Barry Croft.

The FBI became aware of the scheme, first reported by The Detroit News, in early 2020 through a social media group of individuals who were discussing the violent overthrow of certain government and law-enforcement components, according to the criminal complaint.

I thought they were supposed to stand down and stand by?