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Re: Opening day anti-maskers

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jimmywilson69 wrote: Nov 23rd, '20, 16:58 Do you need to wear mask while skiing? Or just on lift?

I never wear a face mask while skiing unless its below 15 degrees.

I thought the industry standard was mask in line and on lift/gondolas

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This winter is certainly different from those in the past, but one thing that hasn't changed is our passion for skiing and riding at The Beast. Please remember, face masks are required at all times while at the resort - indoors and outdoors, yes skiing/riding, in lift lines and while riding lifts. Unless you're seated and eating or drinking, please keep your mask up. We strongly suggest bringing one or two extra face masks, so you can change them if they get wet. Learn everything you need to know about how to visit Killington this winter here.
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Re: Opening day anti-maskers

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I am likely the biggest "mask cheerleader" you'll find but requiring one's face to be covered while actually skiing is pretty ridiculous. I can't imagine many complying with that and can't blame them.
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You're more likely to catch a STD from looking at a dirty toilet seat than catching Covid while skiing on the side of a mountain. My Lord.

I plan on just having my collar up on my shell. Face shielded. Problem solved.
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I'm not sure whether they are even expecting perfect compliance. They go beyond Vermont guidelines and standard industry practice. They might be overstating it so that people do comply in places where it is more important, which is right in line with what the governor does with travel restrictions and his ban on socializing. He greatly overstates them, knowing that almost no one is going to be in perfect compliance, but it will at least get people to significantly change their behavior. To some extent it works. However, it causes a lot of collateral damage with the travel restrictions, and just looks plain silly with the ban on socialization as initially announced.
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I think the ban on socializing makes a lot more sense than travel restrictions and masks while skiing outdoors. Socializing indoors is basically how this thing spreads. It does not spread by people being outdoors and 6 feet apart. If you have the virus and you avoid indoor social contact, you're unlikely to spread the virus regardleds of which state border you may have crossed.

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Agreed. This thing is spreading by strangers being indoors, in close proximity for extended periods of time ie social gatherings. Snoloco does make a good point about overstating in hopes of some compliance. Not every has common sense and needs a reminder. I'll personally be wearing a gaiter in lines, on lifts anywhere else anyone is near. That thing is coming down when I point em down though. I won't hesitate to ask someone to mask up in line.
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newpylong1 wrote: Nov 24th, '20, 07:10 Agreed. This thing is spreading by strangers being indoors, in close proximity for extended periods of time ie social gatherings.
Actually it does not at all have to be strangers. Many of the recent outbreaks have been traced back to gatherings between family and friends (a symptomatic and not knowing they are spreading the virus).
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I can see how the heartland is experiencing a surge the past few months. I was in West Virginia a few months ago and I couldn't believe how lax they were about indoor mask wearing. I would go into a Sheetz and even though there were signs on the door and the employees had masks on, the customers wearing masks was 20% at best. That attitude IMHO got those states into trouble. Here in the northeast I believe we are much more diligent about indoor mask wearing.

Lets hope the vaccines on the horizon wipe this stupid thing out and we can all go back to normal.
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newpylong1 wrote: Nov 24th, '20, 07:10 That thing is coming down when I point em down though. I won't hesitate to ask someone to mask up in line.
that is my approach because I understand the science of the mask. In line on a lift, I'm wearing it. while engaging in the act of skiing I'm not.

I just need it to get cold here in PA so I can ski. Its pretty clear that its not safe to travel to ski right now and that likely won't change which is really disheartening...
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boston_e wrote: Nov 24th, '20, 07:29
newpylong1 wrote: Nov 24th, '20, 07:10 Agreed. This thing is spreading by strangers being indoors, in close proximity for extended periods of time ie social gatherings.
Actually it does not at all have to be strangers. Many of the recent outbreaks have been traced back to gatherings between family and friends (a symptomatic and not knowing they are spreading the virus).
Yep, shouldn't have said strangers. The only two cases I know here were family member to member.
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FWIW:

Plenty of N95 and KN95 masks available on E-Bay. From what I've read, not a whole lot of difference between the two except for where [country] they were certified. With that said, the N95's on sale look a lot more robust than the K95s [and higher price, of course, but not bank breaking]. Although I tend to agree with Brownman, not sure if buying them on E-Bay is in any real way shorting the front line worker mask availability. If that were the case, I would expect to see the E-Bay prices way higher. Looks to me like supply is OK ??

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Captain Hafski wrote: Nov 24th, '20, 09:40 FWIW:

Plenty of N95 and KN95 masks available on E-Bay. From what I've read, not a whole lot of difference between the two except for where [country] they were certified. With that said, the N95's on sale look a lot more robust than the K95s [and higher price, of course, but not bank breaking]. Although I tend to agree with Brownman, not sure if buying them on E-Bay is in any real way shorting the front line worker mask availability. If that were the case, I would expect to see the E-Bay prices way higher. Looks to me like supply is OK ??

Contact lenses: I went to these thirty or so years ago solely for skiing in lieu of wearing glasses under goggles. Game changer for sure.
If one is looking for N95's or KN-95's be a bit warry of ones online if you can't verify their authenticity. Being in the healthcare field, and trying to keep adequate PPE in stock these last 8 months, has been a challenge at times. And what has happened in the PPE world, is in essence they've become not unlike futures trading where groups will buy up massive runs of say authentic 3M certified N95's and KN95's and then resell them at a mark up per unit on secondary markets. So the market is now flooded with many knock off clones, that look the same, but aren't made to the same standards as the originals. For example, the masks I typically used in my office, level 3 surgical masks, used to have a unit cost of about 25 cents a piece pre Covid. That spiked to about 2 dollars a piece back in April, leveled off a bit to about 50 cents a piece over the Summer, and now, if I can even find them, are back to about a dollar a piece. At one point, when my office was looking to get some authentic 3M N95's back in late April, the market was at a cost of $10-$12 a unit, for what used to be less than a dollar per unit.

One can also look at if the N95's or KN-95's are even significantly better than the more readily available, "traditional" surgical masks out there, since the data shows, more often than not, that the most important thing, regardless of what type of mask one is wearing, unless you're basically in direct close contact with a known COVID + person in a closed, poorly ventilated setting for an extended period of time (such as healthcare workers treating Covid patients) is are you properly putting on and taking off your properly fitting mask, in addition to using proper hand/face hygiene both before and after putting on one's mask. While not specific to COVID, there was a journal article published in the New England Journal of Medicine last fall that looked at the efficacy of the traditional level 3 surgical mask vs an N95 mask, when worn by ICU nurses at about 20 different hospitals across the country, over an accumulated something like 20,000 shifts, with respect to those nurses contracting either Influenza A or B. And the results showed essentially no statistical difference between the 2 types of masks in preventing the wearer from getting Flu A or B and in gross numbers those that wore the perceived higher level N95 mask actually contracted Flu A or B slightly more than those who wore the traditional surgical masks. The authors concluded that often use of proper infection control protocols when putting on and taking off one's mask may very well be just as, if not more important, than the actual type of mask itself
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Re: Opening day anti-maskers

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There is no way a person can ski hard and wear a N95 mask that is properly worn. You would be starving for oxygen.
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Re: Opening day anti-maskers

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I normally ski with a balaclava or neck gaiter so having my face covered isn't a problem for me but that is just a silly policy from Killington to require your faced covered while skiing. I can't believe there is any science behind that one. Eating / Drinking (w/o a mask on) on the other hand is a possibility, which is totally fine apparently. I for one will be eating in my car.
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Re: Opening day anti-maskers

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I will be wearing my balaclava as usual on and off the lifts. No big deal. I'll pack an extra one in my jacket pocket just in case one gets extra wet or icy. Not going in the lodges at all or riding the bus. I will be going back to the condo to eat. Thankfully my condo is close enough that I can walk to and from snowshed in about 10 minutes. Helps having snowboard boots also! Once the ski home trail is open I can ski home which is nice.
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